Final Cut Pro or Avid Media Composer?

by Kevin Smith on September 16th, 2009


Avid vs. Final Cut Pro

Just when I was starting to wonder if Final Cut Pro was beginning to catch up with Avid, I read this quote on Avid’s Facebook page:

“I don’t know anyone doing $200 million dollar movies who is not cutting on a Media Composer system. At this level, where there’s so much at stake, everyone uses it.” – Roger Barton, Editor, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.

I personally don’t know anyone working on $200 million dollar movies, period; let alone ones using FCP on $200 million dollar movies. But I do know a screening room full of editors using Avid products on a daily, professional basis.

I cut on an Avid Media Composer in part because that’s what I started on back in 1997. So I may be an old-school creature of Avid habit, but I am acutely aware of many modern differences between these two battle bots that, for me and the clients I work with daily, continue to push Avid to the forefront of the editing world. Let’s briefly explore just a few…

For starters, FCP is Mac only. While that is certainly not a flaw of the editing software, it is a sizeable shortcoming nonetheless (unless you only ever intend to work on a Mac, or interface with other Mac based projects). Most clients frown on the inability to resurrect or even port projects as needed.

While we’re on the topic of projects, let’s chat a bit about media management. Any post house large enough to regularly need more than one edit system could benefit from some type of shared project/media storage device. FCP doesn’t offer a full-on solution to this need, there is an Xsan setup. While this does allow some sharing between edit systems, it requires much more organizational effort due to the fact that FCP is timeline based and not project based. This requires producers and editors to be tirelessly diligent in their organizational skills.

Guardian Studios has a 16TB Avid Unity safely holding all our projects and HD media. The beauty is this: multiple users can access the same project and the same media from different edit systems at the same time. Period. This means the client can walk in with an external HDD (or even a P2 card) and we can instantly pull the media files into the project and begin working. Or, we can resurrect an old project on one edit system while beginning a new project on another; all the while using the same media. From rough cuts in the Media Composer to Avid DS finishing, Avid’s tapeless workflow offers fast and seamless integration into any workflow.

One major time consuming task is the render. While every edit system needs to do some rendering at some point along the way, FCP needs to render when the sequence settings do not match the material. While you can mix formats on the timeline these days, it does not mean that the playback will be in real time. The only way around this is to convert all the material to a common native format. Most clients simply don’t want to sit through a long render or file conversion as they watch their budget click by 1% at a time! Of course with Avid Media Access, Avid’s new application programming interface (API), developers can now write their own codec wrappers, thus providing support for many video formats that has, in the past, been a downside to Avid.

Obviously, I am an avid Avid proponent, and not just because I cut my teeth on a first-gen Media Composer. In fact, if there was time, I could probably think of 200 million reasons why I edit on an Avid Media Composer every single day.

So let’s hear your thoughts. I gladly welcome any Final Cut Pro users to counterpoint this discussion.

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  • Peter
    Do not blame the tools.use your own creativity and finally come out with a quality output. Avid of FCP just a tools to create a motion picture. Each have its own specialty. I'm just write down my opinion only.
  • Mitch Morrison
    I find Final Cut Pro to be a pain to use. The system I worked on had After Effects. I had to export/import and render between the two programs. I am currently on Premiere Pro, and most of the effects from After Effects are contained in the Premiere Pro program. It has a quicker render time as well. I have also used Media 100. It had the same problem with the export/import and render of files. Avid is not common in my market. That's a shame. I like what I see in your blogs.
  • Chris
    If FCP is such a poor product why does Avid Unity now support it as a client? Don't get me wrong I think Avid is a fine product I use them both. They are two sets of tools. Keep in mind to edit a 200 million dollar budget film you need to buy a few hundred thousand dollar Avid.
  • rseemueller
    I'm not sure this article is saying that FCP is a poor product. It's simply pointing out features that, in the author's mind, make Avid his editor of choice.
  • euchrow
    I'm a long time Avid editor, but I have quite a few years of FCP experience aswell. I like FCP for commercials and other simple edits, but wouldn't want to cut a feature with it. Honestly, the choice between these two depends more on what you want to do with it. If you need a cheap software package that 's a jack of all trades but a master of none, by all means go FCP. But if you need a rock solid editing tool that allows you to edit really fast, where you can at least trim a cut in a decent way without touching the mouse, Avid is the way to go. And honestly, isn't trimming what editing is basically all about... I really find it so annoying having to constantly use the mouse in FCP. Also, on the FX side, Avid allows you to do things like stabilization, tracking, rotoscoping (Animatte) and so on without leaving the software. I hate to export sequences to Motion to do a simple stabilized splitscreen in FCP. Best of all, Avid keeps its renders :-D and doesn't exactly cost an arm and a leg anymore.

    What I do like about FCP is the instant import of files. It's really a pain having to wait while Avid converts a WAV file to a WAV file :-), and it's much worse with video. Also, I love FCP 's timeline. Zooming in and out while playing, hi res audio waveforms, instant copying of segments in the timeline while option-clicking and so on. One really neat thing that Avid should copy from FCP is that when you load an audio file in the source monitor, the audio waveform is displayed instead of useless black.

    BTW, at the moment I'm using the latest version of Lightworks on a feature film. Hated it the first 3 days, but honestly, Lightworks might be the best editing tool on the planet at the moment. Love the interface, you're so in control of the footage, it allows you to work extremely fast. And it also has a node based FX interface, really cool, looks like Shake or Nuke. Sadly, they 're still having the same prices Avid had 5-6 years ago...

  • Ravi
    I have answer for your this statement.
    One really neat thing that Avid should copy from FCP is that when you load an audio file in the source monitor, the audio waveform is displayed instead of useless black.

    Avid gives you even better solution for this. Switch to source mode and you can have sample plot on, to see wave form and if you have a video clip with audio in it than it makes so much easy to find in point of dialog by looking wave form ( I don't think you can do that in FCP).

    Yes I do think avid should have zoom in and out during playback and also a hand tool to pan time line.
  • J
    You are forgetting final cut server. http://www.apple.com/finalcutserver/features/
  • chrismara
    As an Avid user I have to really counter one very important point you made. Being on a mac really is a plus for FCP. Apple has made serious headway into the creative industry. The creative industry prefers mac. As do I. OS X is a much more stable operating system then anything currently available from Microsoft. Personally I think Avid made a mistake in porting over to windows so heavily. True at the time Apple was in difficult shape but part of thr reason Apple bought and then improved on FCP was Avid's turn towards windows. Of course Avid couldn't have forseen Apple's resurgence but it was only with a lot of effort from Avid/Mac users that Avid remained on the mac. As for your other points about media and project sharing...I'm all with you there...which is why I'm still on Avid. Also the setup of Avid in windows can be really painful...not so on the mac version.
  • You bring up some valid points. As for stability, watch out for Windos 7...
  • JeffC
    For over 10 years I was loyal to Avid because it was reliable and did the trick when pushed. However for the past 3 years my eyes have been opened to the FCP. Amazing value, which meant I could afford to buy my own system - something unthinkable when I was working with Avids (Media Composer & DS). There is so much more 'in the box' when you buy FCP software that I can't see myself going back.
  • Many people (and institutions, as well) share your thoughts. Avid has not let that fact go unnoticed. With their recent price reductions and continuing efforts toward integration with the Avid timeline, there is now more "in the box" than ever before. And the price isn't quite as scary as it used to be!
  • mikedor
    As an editor that is not firmly entrenched in a shop, that has his own rig, and must be efficient and adaptable for the freelance world, it would be near career suicide to chose a side in this battle. More and more post-houses and indie films that hire freelancers are requiring that you have many tools in your belt. It has become entirely necessary to become proficient in both of these editors, as well as After Effects, Photoshop, and sometimes even the varied 3D apps (C4D. Maya, Shake). Many shops are also going to shared storage solutions that service multiple editing platforms; like Editshare.

    Both Avid and Final Cut Pro offer the means to frame accurate ends. The difference is the path you take to get there. I have far more man hours in the Avid professionally than FCP due mainly to Avid's behemoth market share. However, FCP is a powerful tool whose nuances fare well in competition with the Avid, and I actually prefer to work with a system like Editshare where the storage solution is media independent and my editing platform and operating systems are stable.
  • D from Singapore
    I'm an editor competent with using & setting up both Avid & FCP systems, and I must add that both systems have their pros & cons.
    I totally agree with all the points you've mentioned between the two systems and there's not much to counter point about the discussion.

    For independent / small-time post facility who doesn't have the clients with $200million budget, FCP is definitely a good solution.
    From my personal experience, Avid's customer support sucks big time and of course, they only cater to those who only have a big spending budget.
    As a result of my bad experience with Avid who treats 'small-time' customers like crap, they've pretty much lost a customer who had the potential to upgrade their 5 suites to Media Composer Adrenaline.

    With proper media management skills, there's nothing FCP can't do at a fraction of the cost of a similarly spec-ed Avid setup.
  • We never really deal with Avid's CS, so I can't comment on that. However, with the recent price reduction from Avid, the financial scales are finally beginning to level out.
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